>> basically, i am responsible for ending another person's life in all meaningful ways. which is fine. she deserves it but it still is a hard thing to deal with to know you and one slight bit >> but you feel it is on you? >> there is like a weight on me. >> angila was shortly working as a nurse by now. and would finally have achieved her ambition to care for people and make them well. >> when she pops in my head, it's sad because she would have been one heck of a nurse. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." thank you for watching.

foreign aid page passed on a bipartisan basis despite threats to tank it from republican isolationists. take a listen. i hope our republican colleagues stand together. i'm a child of the '80s, regan republic. i understand maintaining peace through strength. that is a guiding principle. a big part of our party and worldview. here is an opportunity to make that stand at a critical time in world history. >> with that bipartisan win, johnson was effective liable to silence those same far right members threatening to move him from the speakership. speaker johnson yesterday addressed a group of protesters at columbia university who hack lettered him as he attempted to

speak to the press. take a listen. >> a growing number of students have chanted in support of terrorists. they have suchased down jewish students. they have mocked them and reviled them. they have screamed leat those w bear the star of david. enjoy your free speech. we will do idwhat is right by america. we respect free speech. we respect diversity of ideas er but there is a way to do that in a lawful manner and that's not what this is. >> so many agree with that. that line enjoy your free speech mean you look at who some of these people are chanting for, the terrorists, , hamas because there are some worried about the humanitarian situation in gaza, they weren't

killed when as sad killed 5,000 arabs or saddam hussein killed millions of muslims. we can ask why they act this way when jews are attacked in the worst slaughter since the holocaust. we will put that down. when he says enjoy your free speech, it contrasts so much with hamas. there was no free speech in gaza under hamas. there were no rights that we enjoy in the united states. if they protested like that in gaza since 2005, they probably would have been killed. >> i like the question that our next guest asks. >> a great question. >> joining us now, staff writer at the atlantic. the tlatest speech the accidental speaker. it details her recent interview

with speaker johnson. >> the question was -- is he good at this. >> what if he might be good at this. >> the piece is amazing. >> it is. >> you go through his worldview as it developed through his life as the son of a firefighter who was severely injured. the son of divorce. a man who had to take on a lot of responsibility at a young age. >> who was basically a father for his younger kids -- siblings. >> before he had his biological children he adopted a child and there is so much to him that actually helps a lot of what we are seeing now make sense. tell us about your piece and why that was put in almost as a subtitle. >> thank you for having me. i missed you all. it's great to be back. >> we missed you. >> what got edme intrigued by t story of mike johnson is from

the moment i really started paying attention to his speakership, oni would say into the sweep of 2024 he struck me in this republican party -- as he mentioned in the clip you played, he is ia child of the regan years. for mike johnson, regan was to him the platonic ideal of a statesman and how it related to house speaker tip o'neill. eval judd this idea that you could be on entirely different sides of the oaisle on a piece of policy but respect one another and trust that the other is trying to get to yes in as good faith as you are. so, i think what i -- through my reporting i discovered as one of the major shell shocks s of the speakership, not everyone in his own conference -- not talking about democrats,

was willing to work with him with that baseline understanding. it's important to remember that this is not some bipartisan squish. for mike johnson's tenure in congress he voted in line with the freedom caucus on everything. i delogically there are few members in the house conference more conservative but it's the tactics and disposition that differentiates himself from donald trump's republican party in that makes sense. >> it makes so much sense. this was one of these profiles that was eye opening. you talk about it. i always -- i wrote a book how republicans needed to be conservative i and you said johnson came in to congress with this in mind and the story

about meeting john lewis and excited labout meeting john lewis and having his kids' pictures with john lewis, a thrill of his. he posted a it and found out quickly that in donald trump's republican party, doing what i did, what a lot of republicans used to do -- john lewis was a great friend of mine, that that is not so easy to do in the days of trump. >> ono, it's not. and i think what johnson realized is that the ideas no longer counted. but the months that i followed him, spoke with him and spoke to others around him, in shreveport, on the house floor, i think he sort of assumed that of all the stories his speakership could have assumed, the one where his closest friends and closest former allies would be his most outspoken opponents. i don't think bhe saw that coming to a degree and struggled to make sense of

that. the upshot is that maybe the ideas weren't the point in the republican party and it was just always an attitudinal thing. that you were willing to fight in a way that they deemed strong enough. >> good morning. it's willi. congratulations on your piece. whatever your feelings on speaker johnson, people should read it. i'm curious about the concerns that speaker john shown has in his role in attempting to overturn the results of the 2020 election. you press him on that. he suggests that he was the one in that brief filed to the supreme court that was trying to preserve the rule of law. i'm not sure that passes the smell test. he will be the speaker if this is a close race in november. will he go along with donald trump? what was your sense of that when he got to speak to him about it? >> i would say, willi, that was

so me, the most disturbing moment of our conversation just sort of a moment at which all of the things that he had been telling me up to that point about his respect for institutions, the degree to which he values stability seemed to be tabled when it came to the 2020 election. his argument is that the amicus brief that he spearheaded with the texas lawsuit attempting to overturn the results in several states was that it was so narrowly focused, that it was totally divorced from donald trump's hysterical rhetoric about fraud and stolen ballots. the abreality is that he knew that nobody, not his constituents or trump would be reading the fine print of an amicus brief. he stationed himself out there as someone on the front lines challenging the results of the 2020 election. and when he said to me, my goal

as speaker is to restore trust in the institution, i said how can americans expect to trust the results of this election and your claim that, you know, we should when, in fact, you put that distrust in the election t not four years ago hardly. i didn't nget a satisfying g answer on that point. >> it is -- we are so glad you are here. we hope you come back. the story about his boys -- >> oh, my gosh. almost drowning after having dinner with the president at mar-a-lago like a day later, it's incredible. >> incredible profile. >> multidimensional. >> that question is confounding and worth talking about more. thank you so much for coming on the show. we will see you soon. the mother of american israeli hostage hirsch goldberg

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it has been more than 200 days since 23-year-old israeli american hersh goldberg-polin was taken by hamas. he was one of hundreds captured during the attack at the supernova music festival october 7th. now months later, hamas has released a new video of the hersh. the video was made public this week. it shows hersh addressing lawmakers and his family. >> joining us is hersh's

mother, rachel goldberg-polin. rachel, i don't know how to ask you this. i just want to see if you can tell us whatever it is you are willing to share, how you are holding up, what you saw in that video of your son, what he said, your reaction? >> well, i'm sure that anyone who is a mother or anyone who has ever had a mother in their life can imagine, you know, this could be your son. and this was extremely emotional for us, obviously, to see that hersh is alive after 201 days of, you know, in this horrible condition. you see that his arm, which was, you know, amputated spontaneously from a grenade attack when he was with his friends, best friend from childhood.

they went to a concert for peace, love and unity and he ended up with this life altering injury and stolen from his life from us. it's nothing but trauma. and, so, obviously, we were very emotional and overwhelmed to see that he is alive. on the other hand, all of us, we can see that he is clearly medically compromised. he is clearly medically fragile and he is reading -- i don't know. the interesting thing is, it's in hugh brew and our language is english. we only communicate with him in english. so, you know, i was thrilled to hear his voice and see him and overcome with emotion as you were choking up just even imagining what we are going

through. >> you know, and mika, yesterday, gasped and yelled oh, my god and i came running in and it was because we saw your son. and you just said any mother that went through this -- any mother would understand what you were going through. i just can't imagine those feelings. but i am curious -- do you want to -- >> i saw that video. of course obviously the first time before we interviewed you, i watched the unhe had it version much longer. and that's why i gasped because i wasn't sure if he would make it. at the same time, rachel, is there anyway of knowing -- are they able to get from this video and from what they see of his injuries, when this video

was taken? what information are you able to glean about the timing of this video and his status? >> well, it seems, according to intelligence that this massive group of americans and israelis who are working on this, they believe that this was made in the last couple of days. they believe -- they can see -- they have a medical seem that specializes in analyzing things through a screen that they believe from the stump that used to be his left forearm, that it does look like it was about six months ago. so they feel it is extremely

recent. >> willie, just a reminder for all those people who are glorifying hamas and holding up pro-hamas signs and while jewish students try to walk to class, that is a reminder. not sure what hamas was trying to do. i'm glad the video is out. obviously i know rachel and the family are so relieved. that is a reminder once again of october 7th. a son goes to a concert for peace and he is attacked by terrorists and jewish kids slaughter and there are still jews that are still being held hostage which hamas could end this tomorrow. hamas could end this tomorrow if they chose to. they don't want to. >> you don't have to be a mother or father. you have to be a human being to

have a gasp when you see that video. i guess a gasp of hope for all of us, rachel. i can't imagine when you thought when you saw the video. there he is. there is hersh, the extraordinary young man we talked to you about on this show. it was wonderful to see his face. there was reporting that this came about, the white house putting pressure on qatar to get hamas to do something, some kind of a gesture. this is a gesture. what more would you ask of president biden and prime minister netanyahu and qatar not just a video of hersh but to bring him and the rest of the hostages home? >> i want to make a clarification. one of the hugest errors made in the media is that the 133 remaining hostages are all jewish. they are not. they are christian, jewish, muslim, hindu and buddhist. i want to make that clear.

i think one of the worst injustices that we do is when we erase the actual identity of who is being held. so, i want to clarify that. and when you ask about what i would say to president biden, first of all, i know from the first conversation that we, the families had with president biden on october 13th that he is someone who so cherishes family. i know he lost his dear son bo a number of years ago to a horrible disease. i know that he was his oldest son who changed him from being a person into being a father. hersh is my he will defendant child. i talk about how hersh changed me from being a person into a mother, which is my identity and go through life. president biden met abigail yesterday for the first time, the 4-year-old little girl held hostage and released in the first release.

i would pray and hope that i get to introduce my hersh to president biden soon as well being someone who is clearly medical fragile and compromised. i'm extremely worried about him. and i am appreciative that people are pulling levers and using leverage but clearly not enough because if it was enough, then these people would be home. and, so, i would beseech everyone in power to push harder. while, yes, obviously i am very happy to see that hersh is alive, i want my only son-in- law home. and it has been more than six months. it's 202 days and every single other hostage families feels the same out of the 133 including we have eight u.s. citizens being held.

and only five of them are left alive now. everyday longer that they are there, that number can dwindle. while i am appreciative and so grateful and i feel blessed that we have gotten support, we need more. >> yeah. yes. yes, you do. and anyone watching or walking by their tv and saying i can't imagine, how can she do this, how is she doing this given what you are going through, rachel is doing this for her son. she has no choice. it's for hersh. we want that moment for you as well, rachel. we want you to introduce your son to president biden. we want to see that happen. rachel goldberg-polin. thank you for coming on. thank you for fighting. >> we really appreciate it. thank you. our next guest is out with a simple formula for financial security. professor of marketing at the

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we are back with professor of marking at stern school of business. the algebra of wealth, a simple formula for financial security. because it seems so simple to me. >> scott, let's get in the book. first, if you will, i have seen you talk about this in speeches how the system is rigged. so, if you got a million great. 5million, 10 million, better. life gets easier because the way or tax system is set up. >> yeah, we have a progressive tax system until the 99th

percent. essentially the people that get most damaged by the current tax code it's lower and middle income tax holds have gone up because of consumption. the people that get hurt are the people called the workhorses. they make an exceptionally good income in a blue state, 50 to 54% tax rate. some are probably around this table now. if you make the jump to life speed and invest in stocks, housing, then your tax writ plummets. in america, we decided to create a super class of billionaires. if they win the gold medal we will give them the silver and bronze. too biggest tax stocks and homes. we decided that the wealthiest people in the world should get exceptionally more wealthy. minimum wage stuck at 9.25.

the average 72-year-old is wealthier than seven years ago. we are purposely transferring more wealth from the poor and middle class and upper class to the super rich and from young to old. >> you say in the book which is true and alarming, let's say a 30 year ole american now is doing no better than his or her parents. that's the new thing in american history, that you would think over time, we want to do better than the next generation and the last. it's not happening any more. >> i think it ties into what we were talking about on campuses. for the tires time a 30-year- old man or woman isn't doing as well as their parents at 30. that is the social compact breaking down. people 30 to 34, 60% of them in 1990 had one child. now 27%. people are opting out of america. they are not optimistic about it. not having kids. young people aren't having sex. they are not meeting.

the pool of viable men shrinks everyday that lessens household formation. young people are enraged. it turns every cut, every movement into an opportunistic infection because quite frankly they are off. they see cheap shownnal wealth across my generation and they are struggling. the purchasing power is going down. we take pride in rejecting 90% of our applicants. the degree goes up in value. housing is sequestered from young people. they went from 290 to 420 in the last four years. a young person, a house, stocks that i don't own skyrocketed in value, covid relief and flush the markets and take assets up because of the million people dying would be bad, tragic if i got less wealthy. i'm doing it on their credit

card. young people have every reason to be enraged. every issue they look up and get angry and someone doing better and it is speed bald in their face that they are failing, that they are not doing as well as everyone around them. we have lost the script. our kids are anxious, more oppressed, addicted and we have made a purposeful decision to let this happen by ensuring the people around this table stay well wealthy at the cost of young people. >> the social elements that you mentioned, the happiness, anxiety, kids aren't getting together any more. they are not having kids. what happened in one generation. social media has to play a role in it, i'm sure. what else do you see that created this climate for this generation. >> you have the most talented well resourced people in the world and companies trying to convince a young man that he

can have a reasonable facsimile. you don't need friends, go on reddit or discord. you don't need a job, sell crypto. you don't need to have a plan and showering to get a romantic relationship. you have you porn. we have an entire generation of men at home sequestering from society and missing out on what it means -- there is a reason romantic comedies are two hours and not 15 minutes. going out and meeting someone, finding mentors, mates, that stuff is hard. that is what real victory in life is like. because a lot of men feel rejected on dating apps, the number of jobs have gone down. you have a group of men that want a low risk entry into life and go down a rabbit hole. when they don't have social connections and prospect of romantic, they are more prone

to conspiracy and less to climate change and bad citizens. we are producing too many of the most dangerous person in the world. that is a young, broke and lonely young man. >> why is it that so many of these young people that you are talking about seem to head into life after a four year school or two-year school or whatever head into life with a lack of financial literacy. they don't know anything about money or the growth of money. all they know is the absence of money. >> we need to have in high school a class on adulting. my kid can do integers and basic dollars can you louse but he doesn't understand the interest on his credit card. there is financial literacy we are not teaching. when you replace civics with computer science you lose a sense of the country and learn about programming. when you don't talk about financial literacy or mating.

i would like to see in the senior year of college dating dynamics. what is unique to them and their vulnerabilities to social media. i was talking about the challenges of men. at a young girl's life she is presented with evaluation where she doesn't get to leave the high school cafeteria. we have seen a dramatic uptick in suicide. but i think effectively we don't have basic skills for young people. we are teaching advanced things but not what a mortgage is or interest rates. we could use a basic class on adulting sun i don't remember or senior year in high school. >> we have lots more to get to this hour. we're still going for that nice catch. we're still going for that perfect pizza. and with higher stroke risk from afib not caused by a heart valve problem,... ...we're going for a better treatment than warfarin. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk.

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sexually assault other people. >> no. >> no, we don't. >> i don't think so. >> i don't think so. donald trump has been charged with 88 felonies and found liable for sexual assault. if he is too big of a liability to get a job at a local mall, he is too big of a liability to be president of the united states. >> wow. let's bring in the executive director of the republican accountability project, sarah longwell. great to have you on the show this morning. i think that it's unknown how things might change for trump as these trials drag on, especially the one he is in now. that adds p ad crystalizes the challenges that he faces straight ahead. what are you seeing in terms of the liability for president trump with the cases that are still in the future. >> well, look. as you know i do focus groups with swing voters and voters across the political spectrum every week. one of the things we could see

is that because donald trump has so many charges against him, so many different cases, the voters are having difficulty teasing them out, understanding the difference. because this one right now, basically because it contains porn star in the description, sometimes voters take it less seriously than they do some of the ones that we aren't sure will come to trial before the election. so, what we wanted to do with the ad is underscore that donald trump's level of legal liability -- this guy couldn't get a job at the local mall. the idea that -- a fast-food restaurant wouldn't hire him with his record. so, the idea that we would make him president of the united states again -- like we get numb to it. we get numb to who donald trump is and because it's always so much, so many charges, so many

felonies, it's easy to just let it wash over you. we wanted to underscore this is crazy. and, you know, the idea that we would give this man access to classified documents again after the way that he handled classified documents, refused to give them back. there is so many things that what we have seen from his behavior since he has been president. i'm not talking about the person we saw who was president but what we know about him since he left office that absolutely is disqualifying. because there is a numbness to voters, because two functional incumbents, people are sort of depressed by just sort of seeing a rerun of 2020, you have to start showing people just how crazy this is. we have to have new ways to wake people up to the insanity of this. >> sarah, i think it is fantastic. you are doing as you mentioned a lot of focus group with

republicans voters, what is the key button issue or issues resonating with republican voters possibly leaving trump and going to biden? >> there are these two time trump voters that decided they are out on donald trump, it tents to be january 6. there was a break moment for a certain section of republican voters. i know we hear a lot about how -- it's true. most republican voters absolutely are tolerant of trump's behavior, defend his behavior, have continued to go from january 6th being a terrible day to now supporting -- saying that the january 6th -- the people that attacked the capital are hostages. there are the subset of people that tend to be older republicans because they are the republicans who came of age under ronald reagan who, you know, still believe in a republican party based on

limited government, free markets and american leadership in the world. they are the ones after january 6th said i'm done. now, not all of those people will vote for joe biden. they are tribal but they won't vote fordonald trump again. and abortion is a big issue for a lot of these men and women. and the court cases. if the former president is convicted of a crime, that that makes it much harder for them to vote for him. >> all right. sarah longwell, thank you so much. charlie, i'm curious your thoughts and one of the most important swing states if not the most important swing state of wisconsin, how do you think the trials are going to play for undecided voters? >> well, of course, we don't actually know.

i am acceptable that people would say i didn't vote for him before but now i will. we have been numbed about it we will be reminded who this guy is. this ad highlights something extraordinary. run through the mental experiment. imagine what job in american society would donald trump be qualified for other than the presidency. we have set the lowest standard. you wouldn't hire him at the mall, to baby-sit your kids. you wouldn't hire him to be the ceo of a publicly traded company. >> never. >> you can't imagine any school or institution of hire education hiring him. i can't imagine any corporation butting him on their board of directors. he wouldn't be qualified for any position in the u.s. military. go through all of this. it's an interesting point. if you wouldn't do business with him, if you wouldn't hire him, if you wouldn't associate

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hedge fund when i came across a statistic that web usage was growing at 100% a year. i thought i would try to find a business plan that made sense in the context of that growth. i fixed books as the first best product. >> that is jeff bezos being interviewed on the sideline of a text conference in 1997. at that point view could imagine the next couple of decades amazon would help him because one of the most powerful men in the world and wealthiest. joining us now, wall street reporter dana mattingly. so great to have you. congratulations on the book. i know this is a long question, but, how do we get from that version of jeff bezos to today where he is the wealthiest guy in the world and the business he built is so powerful that it touches everyone's life in one way or another.

>> it's strange in 2024 to remember that. that company started as this -- against all odds online book seller then cornered every part of retail. that wasn't bezos goal. he wanted to make it a daily habit. that's the company you see today. the dominant force in online commerce. the biggest cloud company, biggest parcel carrier in the u.s. those are some of its massive tentacles. >> did he have in that video, in 1997, we are just a book company. was he thinking to where we are today in 2024 or thinking bigger than books. >> there are signs he was. there is a sign scene in the book he says your margin is my opportunity. his reach for what the company could be was unlimited. >> dana, there is virtually nothing you cannot find to purchase on amazon, nothing. how does it work if i want to

sell something on amazon, how do i get my product on amazon? do i get charged? do i pay them? how much do i pay them. can they raise the price if i sell a lot. >> it's easy to get on amazon.com and selling. you can do that in a matter of days. because 40% of all e-commerce in the country happens there. amazon knows sellers need to be there. they have ratcheted up the fees. it went from 19% a decade adding to nearly 50% today. there is this amazon tax. when i speak to sellers who tell me they have to be there. if they are not there, they won't have sales, they raise the prices to offset the fees because the margins are compressed. >> clearly there is an explosion of opportunity for individuals, small businesses all over the country and in places that historically had not had access to customers in so far as in a small town and

ostensibly the marketplace of amazon opened that up in a big way. so, the balance of how you think about that benefit on one end versus potentially some of the costs that those merchants are having to pay on the other end. >> you are definitely getting foot traffic on amazon than in a small town in the middle of the country. what i would say, i spoke to some sellers. one dad took over his dad's family business, making big industrial containers and door mats for companies. he wanted to digitize it. he took it and put it on amazon. it exploded in $10 million in revenue which sounds great at first glance after all the fees, logistics, overhead, that 10 million turns into 30,000 in profits because the fees exploded so much. that is what some of these sellers are grappling with.

>> you call bezos a modern day rockefeller. what do you mean. >> when lina, the head of the ftc was researching the law article in 2017, she made parallels between jeff bezos. she saw similarities in the business practices, bullying competitors, spying on competitors, predatory pricing. that was part of the basis for why she looked into the company to begin with. >> when you think now, it's hard to imagine amazon could be any -- where are they looking for the next 20 years. what does amazon have ahead of it? >> it's interesting in the mix of the regulators calling amazon a monopoly, the current ceo said we are not big enough. this could be a 10 trillon- dollar company 10 years from now. they don't seem to be that phased by the lawsuit from the ftc. a few weeks after it was

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weekend. we have lots to cover michael take known was part of the team of law enforcement officers defending the capital and the lawmakers inside from the rioters that stormed the building on january 6th, 2021 after the trump rally. his book on the insurrection is titled hold the line. great to have you with us. you were watching, listening yesterday nearly three hours of testimony. we should remind people what we are talking about here. this is a question of immunity around the election interference case, that donald trump attempted to overturn the election, the lie that drove the people to the capitol and obviously caused great pain to you and so many other officers who bravely defended it that day. i'm curious what you thought as you listened to the two hours and 40 minutes of oral arguments. >> it was difficult listening

to do supreme court justices debate this in the abstract. having experienced so much of the end result of the former president's conduct firsthand, you know, again, like the guest that was just on was saying, you know, where is the urgency to address the matter at hand, the former president's conduct. i mean, the other thing that struck me is -- i'm less concerned with the inevitable out come. i'm not going to speculate. i don't have a clue but why has it taken us so long to get here. this is three and a half years after the american people witnessed firsthand what donald trump's supporters did inspired by his lies in a scheme, this

electorate scheme to subvert democracy when they stormed the capital and beat the hell out of police officers. why did it take that effort -- why did we need a congressional select committee to investigate this and spoon feed the american people probable cause. spoon feed merrick garland before the justice department got its act together. all of these missteps and mishandling of this conduct has resulted in what we all now, i think, have come to accept that this effort may be too little and too late. the american people will not have the benefit of seeing a criminal trial in which this conduct is laid to bear for all americans so that we can fully appreciate and understand and

make a decision come november in the election. >> michael, the book is called hold the line. that is what you say is based on the physical matter, practical matter on january 6th. tell us about the other lessons in the book, particularly -- when you wrote the book you might have hoped that we would have more of a resolution on the legal front. again, it was up to you all on january 6th. up to voters in november to protect democracy. what other lessons are you taking? >> one of the biggest lessons that i think i came to realize was how these institutions that i came to depend on, to protect things like our democracy really don't do anything at all. it's not the institutions. it's the individuals that occupy positions within those institutions. you know, it wasn't the d.c. police department and the united states capitol police department that defended the

capitol building that day. it was individual officers. officers that made the conscious decision to go to the capitol, whether part of an organized effort or individuals who self deployed like myself and hundreds of others. what they saw happening before them was wrong. it's as simple as that. you know, members of the department of justice that refused to be corrupted by the former president and stood up against him. that brings me to another point. we talk about accountability for the president's actions. i haven't seen any accountability for what donald trump did and he may never be held accountable. but there were consequences for january 6th, consequences for people like myself, average everyday americans who stood up to donald trump, stood up to the maga movement and had their lives torn apart and decimated

through death threats, losing their careers. i know 10 members of congress that voted to impeach the former congress. eight of them don't have their job any more. there is a huge ripple effect in what the former president has done that has really torn apart a lot of americans lives and livelihoods. >> i wanted to follow-up on another aspect of this. based upon what you went through and saw, what do you think we have to be doing now to prepare for political violence say between election day and inauguration day. what do we have to do in the way of training or are you at all comfortable or uncomfortable with what you see as the potential threat? >> first and foremost, u.s. capitol police, d.c. metropolitan police department, as far as the individual officers are concerned, the training is there. i think since january 6th or i

would hope at least some equipment improvements are made. with that being said, law enforcement needs to stop considering the optics of situations and simple do what they are supposed to do which is prepare for the worst possible scenario. i think that there was a lot of concerns, whether you are talking about january 6th insurrection or whether you talk about the summertime riots that proceeded that, that the optics of, you know, police officers in enhanced protective equipment, which when you think about it, it's ludicrous. the equipment exists to protect the officer. it's not a weapon. it's protective gear. that that was intimidating and we need to dress those officers down to give the optics that, you know, it's a more calm and

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secretary of state antony blinken wrapped up a meeting with the chinese leader in beijing. tea bucked about china support for the war in ukraine. xi noted the world is big enough for both countries to prosper but china's relationship with the united states will stabilize when he says america takes a positive and constructive view of china's development. joining us white house national communications adviser and assistant to the president, retired real admiral john kirby. good to have you with us. >> thanks. >> it sounds like near dope of

the agenda was china's support for russia in the war with ukraine. do you have any evidence that it's providing material military support to russia and if not, what is it doing exactly? >> no evidence or indication that they are actually providing what we would call lethal capabilities, weapon systems directly to the russian military. that said, we know that some chinese companies and many chinese companies are controlled by the communist party. they are providing micro electronics, components for military weapons and systems to the russian industrial base, for them to manufacture weapons and capabilities that they used in ukraine. that is the focus of the conversation that secretary blinken had with them on. >> so much of the emphasis is with the chinese about setting up communication links, military to military, not just dealing with potentially taiwan but the south china sea. >> yes, indeed. how worried are we about that

and how well are the mechanisms beginning to work and created something of a hotline and confidence building measure. >> it's in place but i would say there is more work to on done to cement it and make sure that it's sustainable. military is back on up to the secretary of defense and down to the pacific commander and opal components. when you have two big militaries and operating in some common areas, you want to make sure that you can pick up the phone and reduce the risk of miss calculation. but -- a big but, you can't take it for granted. we have saw it in the past when speaker pelosi went to taiwan, they shut off the coms link. we want this to survive. the reason you have them is to prevent them to shut down when things are tense. >> switch subjects.

we have large amounts of aid going to ukraine. to what extent do we talk to the ukraine government how we use it? in particular, will we support them and allow it for resuming a counteroffensive or say, look, guys, let's be realistic, use this to play defense, frustrate russian event. to what extent will it be conditioned? >> it isn't. the only thing that we have made clear to the ukrainians and they continue to abide by it, we don't want to see any u.s. weapons used to attack russia proper into russian territory. and they understand our concerns about that. we don't enable or encourage that. with that said, we don't dictate to them on the battlefield how and where they use the ammunitions and weapons. if they want to use it for the offense, that's their choice and we respect it. use it in defense, they can do that, too. some of the systems we give

them are designed for defensive versus offensive operations. but they have every right and we would expect that they would want to take advantage of the new weapons that they are getting to push russian forces back. as you and i are talking, the russians are continuing to make progress out of that back axis, coming east to west. now, it's slow progress but they are pushing back on the ukrainian lines, first, second and even the third. that's dangerous. the weapons hopefully get on the battlefield and we hope that they use them to go back on the offense. >> not a lot of times for victory laps when you are president of the united states but less than a week ago we got an agreement on passing ukrainian funding. it was also a week ago that the israelis responded with attacks in iran and two weeks prior where you were dealing with the

iranian attacks into israel. difficult things across the board for the president to handle. at this point, how do you feel about, you know, the impact that u.s. leadership has -- these things are reinforcing. the conversation that tony blinken had with xi would have been different if the united states didn't just deliver funding to ukraine. the conversation would be different if we had not -- with israel and iran, if that had not reached some, you know, equilibrium is too strong of a word but the situation has not gotten worse there. how are you feeling about the state of that, that balance right now? a lot of continents involved. >> we are grateful that we got the supplemental funding past and now can support israel and ukraine and some of that, to the pacific challenges. that is a good thing. it shows, even though it took us too long to get here, it

shows that eventually american leadership will step up and support allies and partners. that is important. you notice the reaction that happened from certain parts of the world. when this national security supplemental was passed, russia said united states is heading into another quagmire. they reacted sharply that we will support ukraine again. look at the reactions out of israel now that they know that aid is coming. you can tell how much american leadership matters by our friends and not so close friends are reacting to the supplemental package and decisions that the president has made. he believes -- and i believe recent history bears him out, that american leadership matters on the world stage. people look for it and they look for cracks in it like they did when we couldn't get the supplemental and criticism that came of it. they also understand that the president sees the american leadership as collaborative effort. not just the united states alone but the united states

with allies and partners. no other nation enjoys the networks and partners that the united states has. he put a lot of effort into revitalizing -- a couple of weeks ago the state visit with the prime minister of japan that included president marcos of the phillip beans, working at try lateral cooperation in the pacific. all of that is the context for what happened this week that shows we do support allies and friends, it does matter and people are paying attention. >> admiral we have been talking about the negotiations brokered by qatar to get the israeli hostages home from gaza. obviously hamas is not a reasonable partner with which to negotiate. do you believe that will bear any fruit at all? hamas keeps moving the goal post and what it wanted for the 130 hostages to come back. what is the progress. >> we hope so, willie. i wish i had progress to tell you. i don't. there was a very good proposal

laid at the feet of hamas a couple of weeks ago after bill burns, the cia director negotiated it in cairo. they have not taken the proposal up. they indicated that they won't. now yesterday they came out and said they would release the hostages if there was an independent state for the palestinian people. there won't be an independent palestinian state with hamas in control of gaza. it can't happen. if they cared about the palestinian people, cared about an independent state they would lay down their arms, step aside and release the hostages and get on with the business of working with israel and the palestinian authority for revisited talllized palestinian authority. for the hostages, we work on it everyday. there isn't a proposal but it doesn't mean we are giving up on it. the president met with young abigail in the oval office and

her family. i can assure you that he is looking out for the hostages everyday. we won't quit. >> admiral, what about the humanitarian crisis that continues inside of gaza, famine, overcrowding, a lack of food and supplies. account you speak to the effort to get those supplies to the people that need them? we know so many of the supplies brought in to gaza are interrupted by hamas. what can you do to make that situation better for the people suffering inside of gaza? >> a couple of things. number one, as you saw, not the last conversation with prime minister netanyahu but the one before that. the president was firm that he needed to see changes on the israeli side about access to humanitarian assistance or we would look at changes to our gaza policy. in response they have opened up crossings and increased the house and generally increased

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another college working to balance free speech and student safety is vanderbilt university. school leaders expelled three students and suspended more than 20 others for breaking into an administrative building during a pro-palestinian protest last month. during that break in, the students injured a security officer while calling for the school to divest in israel. there you see the video. my god. joining us now, the chancellor of vanderbilt university. he defended the school's response to the sit in in a "wall street journal" op-ed

earlier this month. free speech is alive and well at vanderbilt university. thank you so much for coming on the show. this is such a difficult issue and yours is not the only university obviously grappling with this. i want to talk more about what you wrote and how you have conducted a reaction to the situation at your university. how do you balance free speech versus unacceptable behavior or unlawful behavior at certain times. and as this continues, how do you plan to balance it? >> well, good morning. thank you for having me. >> good morning. >> we have had for the last javier, since these events happened, literally dozens of protests, discussions, vigils at the beginning. we had displace of the hostages in israel, the families killed in gaza. all the students have been great. last monday we had a passover dinner on campus with 400

students celebrating passover together. we had a small group of students that as you mentioned, broke into the administrative building closed for construction and we took the appropriate action because while the students have the freedom to express themselves and protest, that doesn't mean that you can run into a closed building and injure security officers. as a consequence of that, we took appropriate action, discipline students. this has nothing to do with free speech. this was a blatant violation of university rules. when you violate the rules, there are consequences. >> good morning. it's willie geist. i'm a proud alumni of vanderbilt. i want to ask you about we hear at vanderbilt and other places that free speech is being squashed, police are being called in. can you speak to the other

outlets. you are allowing protests on campus but other outlets for civil debate on a complicated and emotional issue. >> thank you, willie. good morning. we have had lots of discussions. to give you an example, in the week when this event happened, we had both the israeli ambassador and former prime minister of the palestinian authority on campus. we had hundreds of students having discussions with them. it was an incredible opportunity to have discourse on a challenging topic. that is the way to handle the type of issues on universities. there will be students that want to protest. they have to do it in a way that is in line with university rules. they can't do it in classrooms, disrupting them with a megaphone and they can't go into closed buildings, either. >> can you explain the concept of principle neutrality, institutional neutrality that

you talked about for some time and wrote about again in "the wall street journal." what does that mean exactly? some students say there are some issues we shouldn't be neutral. how do you explain the stance by vanderbilt? >> our point of view is that universities are the place where there should be transformative education and path breaking research. for that, you have to have the freedom to explore ideas broadly. that means a commitment to free speech, civil discourse, treat each other with respect. and the third is principle neutrality, the university will not take policy positions unless they directly affect the university. the reason we do that is to provide a broad platform for faculty and students to make up their own mind. there are discussions on that. when you have calls for boycotts or divesting of israel, that is a direct

violation of principle neutrality and the policy calls for these types of actions. >> chancellor, in full disclosure i know some of your faculty. let me ask you, because i was intrigued when i read your column in the "wall street journal." because you are careful to protect free speech and i said earlier today on the show that i think that some of the prince policeman students are right to raise the issue of what is going on in gaza but to become anti-semetic and kill the jews is not what this is to represent even though people have the right to say what they want to say, you can't become ugly and violent. when i was younger, we marched against the war in vietnam and today dei. we didn't give -- supporting

the very yet kong. there is a big difference. tell me how you can instruct other heads of school to deal with the balance of free speech on both sides but not tolerating the violence and over the top and outright hatred being brought in by some outsiders are some that infiltrated some of these rules? >> so, i think the first important aspect is to be very, very clear about your principles. so, everyone on campus knows what the commitment is, what the principles are. on the principle neutrality piece it helps because it avoids a campus from becoming politicized. we are one of view that made a commitment to this. vanderbilt and chicago and north carolina. that is number one to be clear about the principles. the second aspect. we have to be an environment where everybody can learn and where everybody can participate

in their -- in education and in these types of discussions without feeling harassed. so, we have been clear from the beginning that harassment, jewish students or muslim students will not be tolerated. coming up, one of america's top union leaders joins us to tell us why he believes joe biden is the only presidential candidate american workser can trust. presidential candidate american workser can trust. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients. it's time to feed the dogs real food in the right amount. a healthy weight can help dogs live a longer and happier life. the farmer's dog makes weight management easy with fresh food pre-portioned for your dog's needs. it's an idea whose time has come.

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at a white house meeting in january of 2017 the head of the building trades union praised president donald trump for committing to improve the lives of labor workers. >> we just had probably the most incredible meeting of our careers with the president and the vice president and the senior staff when the president laid out his plans about how he will handle trade, how he will invest in the infrastructure and level the playing field for construction workers across this country then took the time to take everyone into the oval office and him the seat of power in the world. the respect that the president of the united states showed us. when he shows it to us, he shows it to 3 million of our members in the united states. it was nothing short of incredible. >> well, that was then and this is now. it's one thing to say something. it's other thing to do it.

fast forward today, the na btu is endorsing president joe biden's campaign and launching a nationwide effort to keep trump from ever returning to the white house. in a statement and accompanying video, the group's president said trump broke the promises he made to union leaders when he first took office. >> you are promising america tonight you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody. >> accept for day one. >> donald trump, he is not a good man. he is not a good person. he does not care about anybody in this world accept donald trump. that's it. that's all. >> present and clear danger. >> now he is looking to get in that position again to exert revenge on people. i go to the '80s with donald trump and him trying to get his mug on page six of the "new

york post." the only difference between the donald trump of the '80s and today is he feels totally free to let his dark side out and his dark side is very, very dark and very dangerous for this country. we can't let our democracy that we worked for and cherish to disintegrate. i can tell you that he personally committed to me that he was going to get our pensions fixed. he understood who was affected by the pensions. he assured me, i'm the president of the united states. i will call mitch, tell him to put it in the bill. will everybody love me? everybody loves me? yes, mr. president. >> everybody will love you. that was wasted breath. there was lots of other things put in that bill. tax cuts put in that bill for rich people. donald trump promised infrastructure every year. >> infrastructure is the easiest of all. >> donald trump was not

interested in any of the policy that goes with being president of the united states. trump was interested in the pomp and circumstance, the plane, the helicopter, it's all about him. donald trump is incapable of running anything let alone the most powerful country in the history of the world and god help us if he gets anywhere near that white house in the future. >> and shawn mcgarvey joins us now. thank you for coming on the show this morning. that was a powerful video and a real turn around from when you first endorsed former president trump or at least listened to him and hoped that his promises would come true. what do you say to hard working americans who don't have time to clue in on every detail of every trial he is involved with or every promise he made who sport trump almost blindly but

they connect with him. even members of your union. what do you say to them about who this man is? >> well, quite honestly, we won't waste a lot of time talking to every american that supports donald trump and not waste a lot of time with some of our members that support donald trump because we are not going to change their minds. what we concentrate on is the 10 to 15% of our members who we can have a conversation with and explain to them the facts. give them the projects that they are working on, the way they are feeding their family today. how that project came about. it came about through three monumental pieces of legislation after he saved the pensions that are now creating the biggest infrastructure boom this country has seen. we call it the infrastructure generation that joe biden is creating n. our opinion, it's the only time in history we can

compare to when the gis came back from saving the world in world war ii and came back to build the middle class and their own lives after they saved the world. that is the scale we are at right now with the most pro- union president that this country, pro-worker president that this country has ever seen. that is the conversations that we are having. we will have one on one, have them in the key states and we got months and months. we have already started and we are already laying out the facts and we see the results. >> good morning, it's willie geist. we are looking at the list of other unions endorsed the president. you are not alone for your support for him and the message you put out there. as you say in the ad, it became a punch line through the trump years it was infrastructure week, about to get into infrastructure, spend the trillion dollars that he promised you on infrastructure which never came. then november of 2021, president biden is in the white

house. 1.2 trillon-dollar bipartisan infrastructure bill that went out the door. that money, you can see the signs all over the country. when you say that joe biden is the most pro-union, pro-worker president in history. that is a huge claim. what makes you say that? >> well, we can say that by not only the pieces of legislation that he passed but the language in the legislation that assures that those jobs will be good, middle class family sustaining jobs from the manufacturing jobs that we are rebuilding in this country via the chips and science acts to the construction jobs where we have the prerequisite labor standards involved in the jobs via the regulatory work that has been done following up what was passed in the legislation. so, we know that. these are going to be good, middle class sustaining jobs and my members will have many of those jobs. >> morning jo weekend continues after a short break.

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john, your company is out with new polling today taking a look at where young voters stand ahead of november's election. so much interesting data. let's start with the top line. joe biden leads among young voters 51 to 43 with 7% undecided. a slim majority and probably a lot lower of a number than the biden campaign would like to see at this point in the campaign? >> yes, willie. we are grateful for our friends at snapchat to expand what we learned at harvard, the youth poll to do this with social officer. we watched the nfl draft last night. it's about the points spread. biden has a lead. he needs to cover that spread quite convincingly. right now despite the fact as i

talked about the economic concerns, despite that many young people the country is heading in the wrong direction, his approval ratings aren't what he wants them to be, he is leading among registered voters, likely voters in every poll that i conducted through a variety of different means over the last couple of months. >> in terms of what is stressing young voters in this country, young people in this country, this is -- tracks with what we know, the economy is the problem. price of groceries and gas. 43% feel a lot of stress on a regular basis. access to health care is high on the list, gun violence, credit card balance. what do you see in the numbers, john? >> when i talk to people in town halls and focus groups, i ask what is a good day. what is something that keeps you up at night. i hear the daily stress that people carry about the idea of having an opportunity to live

their best life. currently this economic stress. many of us, older americans are able to see progress in the economy in tangible ways, 401(k) that younger people don't have. a senior citizen, in 2025, a cap on prescription drugs. but younger people can't see the tangible benefits and it's stressing them out. that is part of the reasons that the biden number is depressed relative to where it was four years ago. >> john, this is really interesting. the constructed poll and, you know, biden's approval rating is very low. he gets his approval rating is 35%. trump is 43%. overall job performance among young voters. but still biden comes out on top in the head to head. i'm wondering if it is because of one chart you have in here that asks -- really smart way it's done, how will the issues

change under a second biden trump term as opposed to asking what is important to you, what do you think will happen? women's rights 13 points better under biden and minus 271 under trump. lgbt and trans rights 12 better for biden, minus 36. student loan debt, 7 points better under biden minus 10 under trump. so, do you think -- how do you rank these issues and people guessing when you look at this in the composite, guessing what they think biden-trump will do under the issues in the overall -- in the decision about who to support? >> that's the thing about politics. it's not just one single issue. what younger people believe is they will have more individual rights on the issues they care about in a second biden term. that is clear. that was clear in the harvard poll that we released a week

ago as well. the idea of restricting women's reproductive health was motivating factor and it can be here as well. it's clear that most significant concern that young people have today is inflation. they believe that donald trump's economy was better when he was president. they think it could be better if he were reelected. that's what the biden campaign needs to square is a sense of economic insecurity that people have and be very, very clear about that. >> yeah. you know, like many americans, john, young people are not happy with their choices. you have something called the double hater voter, people not happy with either of these. as we take a look, those that hold their nose and vote by 30 points, joe biden is better than donald trump if you make me choose. john, thanks so, as always, for

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don't wait- call today. susan, let's talk about the new book. it focuses on the life and times of broadcast journalist barbara walters. in 1980, walters was granted a rare interview with richard

nixon following his resignation from the presidency years earlier. at the very end of their nearly hour-long talk, walters asked nixon this. >> in just the few seconds we have left now, almost time for yes and no. are you sorry you didn't burn the tapes? >> interestingly enough, everybody in europe that i talk to said why didn't you burn the tapes? the answer is i probably should have. but mainly i shouldn't have even installed them because johnson's system was there. i had it taken out and i never should have put it in. >> if you had to do it all over again? >> yes, i think so because they were private conversations subject to misinterpretation as we have all seen. >> wow. susan page, talk about the book, that moment and some other captivating revelations

about really the trailblazer for us all. >> such a classic barbara walters question. in eight words she managed to put a former president on the spot and admit to an incredible news breaking acknowledgment that he wished he had burned the tapes. that's the kind of question that she would have worked on for weeks and weeks beforehand trying to figure out how to ask it that wouldn't give nixon an exit door to dodge. the thing that struck me about barbara walters, she became famous, lots of acclaim and money but it's easy to forget how hard it was for her to get there. no woman had gotten there before and the price she paid. not that we have a perfectly level playing field now but things are different for women in broadcasting and journalism than barbara walters. a lot of that credit goes to barbara walters. >> yes, for sure. >> susan, you kind of led me to

my question. i'm thinking back to when barbara walters in the '60s got a job as a researcher on the "today" show. then when they decided she was good enough to be on the air, they called her the today girl -- correct me if i'm wrong. it was a boy's club. speak for a generation that knows her name and seen her face and watches old clips and understands she is famous and a significant figure how important she was as a role model, an example not just for women i would suggest but all of us in this business. >> she didn't have a model. no woman had done what she proposed to do. she didn't have much of a mentor either. she was out there on her own. it was alonely quest. she pushed ahead into a field that was not ready to welcome her. when she got on the "today" show and frank mcgee, the host of the today show. frank mcgee had a stated rule

that she could not speak until he asked the first three questions. now, can you imagine that. >> whoa. >> she took that -- in a way, she took lemons and made lemonade. she began to set up her own interviews outside the studio to ask the first question and second question and all the questions in the interview. >> that's amazing. the new book is entitled the rule breaker, the life and times of barbara walters. susan page, thank you so much for coming on this morning and congratulations on the book. amazing. >> thank you. >> that's all the time we have this weekend. we will be back tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern kicking off a new week of morning joe. until then, enjoy the rest of your weekend. good morning. it is sunday, april 28th